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He would not have been my pastor. You don’t choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend. You know, I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that. I just think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving.
Now why couldn’t McCain be that explicit about it?
Because he had his own “pastor” problem. An “anti-Catholic” minister supported him and people act like being against a religion is the same as being against a race of people. Ignoring the fact that McCain didn’t make excuses for his pastor or even attend the pastor’s church.
“Hypocricy” has completely lost its meaning on modern society. And unfortunatly for John McCain he can’t give various parts of the population an English lesson or a lesson in basic logic.
You can chose your religion. You cannot chose your race. That is why it’s okay to speak against a religion but not okay to speak against a race. If you can’t be “anti-Catholic” then you can’t be “anti-Nazi” either.
The issue of course is that everything is turned into “anti-person.” Being against Catholicism is not “anti-Catholic.” A person is Catholic. The system of beliefs is Catholicism. People who argue against various religions typically have no problem with the people. They see the people as misguided. They speak out against the religion that has misguided people.
People have this absurd idea that you shouldn’t criticize religion. Heaven’s Gate was a religion. You can’t criticize it anymore. The time for criticizing that cult is over. Why? Because they’re all dead now. Because people thought it was wrong to say “hey, that religion doesn’t seem right.” People would rather let other people die or be mentally or physically damaged than speak out against the religion they belong to.
Obama could have showed the pastor some love by correcting him years ago. But instead he thought it was more loving to just keep his mouth shut and allow his pastor to look like a fool.
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John McCain is basically side stepping the issue here. He says that you can’t choose who endorses you. But the problem is that Obama has endorsed Wright. Not that Wright endorses Obama. You can chose who you endorse. So essentially McCain never answers the question. He’s not giving Obama a pass. He’s giving a pass to candidates who are endorsed by radicals. He’s not giving a pass to candidates who endorse radicals.
John McCain should side step this issue. It wouldn’t serve him to hammer on Obama over it. Everyone can see that Obama can’t stand up to his pastor yet thinks he can stand up to foreign leaders. Everyone can see that he thinks he can move America past racism and yet can’t move his own church past racism.
John McCain needs to focus on himself and his issues if he wants to win this election.
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Back when Mitt Romney was still in the race the Democrats were encouraged (I think mostly by The Daily Kos) to vote for Romney so McCain would lose. They wanted to do this in Michigan since their votes didn’t count anyway for the Democratic primary.
Now the Democrats want to investigate voters in Ohio for switching parties just to vote for Hillary. Hypocricy at its finest. Nobody cared in Michigan a) because Republicans aren’t a bunch of cry babies and b) because Romney was the favorite for conservatives. The average Republican wouldn’t mind Romney in office. Democrats were too stupid to realize that the Republicans were having too civilized of a nomination process to get worked up over any particular candidate winning regardless of any dirty politics being played by the Democrats. They just went with the guy they figured was guarenteed to lose in the national election. Again, being too ignorant to realize that the Republicans are too civilized to throw a fit just because the wrong guy got nominated.
Sure they’ll moan for awhile but come election day they’ll vote for the guy their party selected. Republicans realize that despite the flaws of any candidate they are still most like them. McCain may not be the most conservative but he is more conservative than any Democrat. So if your issue is how conservative the candidate is then when it comes time to vote then you’re going to vote for McCain.
Democrats on the other hand are still whining about the 2000 election 8 YEARS LATER. If Clinton gets the nomination we’ll never hear the end of it. Most temper tantrums stop at some point.
They set up this super delegate nonsense years ago. And now they want to stop the super delegates from deciding the nomination. Well if they wanted the popular vote to decide the nomination then why did they have super delegates to begin with? They get something like 20% of the delegate votes. So unless one candidate is 20% ahead of the other the supers will decide the election.
If they didn’t want supers deciding the election then they should have them to begin with.
I’d like to see Hillary win just to enjoy the fireworks but they won’t learn anything. They’ll just find some way to plame everyone but themselves for their problems and continue thinking they’re geniuses for how they have their nomination process set up.
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So apparently Hillary was never in any danger from snipers. But, if she was, you can bet she would laugh about it years later.
The odd thing about this story is that Hillary has told it correctly plenty of times but this time she completely fabricated details. Maybe she’s going senile in her old age.
The bigger issue is how many democrats are trying to force Hillary out of race. They want to play numbers and claim that she can’t win. That’s not actually true. Neither her nor Obama can get the necessary delegates in the primaries to secure a victory. Both Hillary and Obama must win by getting enough super delegates. Considering both are neck and neck in the race Obama has as much reason to drop out as Hillary.
Democrats want to portray Hillary as the typical lying politician based partly on her sniper story completely ignoring the lies that Obama has told on top of being a racist that went to a racist church. Clinton is not allowed to be the typical politician but Obama is. Remember that.
Obama is virtually unelectable aside from the fact that he’s not Clinton. It’s the only reason he appears to be walking on water. If it were anyone but Clinton running against him he would have been shamed out of this election by now. But as it is, the democrats think that Clinton is the devil and that anyone is better than her.
It’s still several weeks until the Pennsylvania primary but current poll numbers show Obama in a nose dive. If Clinton pulls out a decisive victory in Pennsylvania and exit polls show a stark race based split then Obama is done. He has gotten far more support from white males than Clinton has gotten from white females. If Obama loses that edge he’s done.
Obama has won the black vote with 70%+ in virtually every exit poll done. In two states he got “only” 68%. Black people really want to see a black president but some of them may have been offended enough by his pastor to vote for Clinton. Of course when the polls come back that the vast majority of white’s support Clinton and the vast majority of blacks support Obama, the news isn’t going to point out that Obama’s racist remark about his “typical white person” grandma and racist pastor pushed whites and others towards Clinton who is not racist. Instead we’re going to hear about how this race turned into a race issue and that whites and blacks are now divided.
The only issue is that Obama has been outed as a racist and black people are too racist to turn their backs to him just as Obama was too racist to turn his back on his racist pastor. Only 8% of blacks were offended by Wright’s remarks.
They’re digging their own hole. You can’t excuse racism today based on things that happened decades ago. It doesn’t matter how badly the pastor was treated or how badly Obama was treated. He should not be subjecting his children to other people’s bad experiences as justification for them to be racist themselves. They are simply passing down racism. Obama’s children are not going to grow up hating America for anything America did to them. In fact, America has supplied their parents with riches beyond what most will ever achieve. Instead they’re going to grow up hating America because their pastor tells them to. They’re going to grow up hating America because their mother tells them to.
How are the children of blacks supposed to see what America really has to offer today if the past keeps getting forced onto them by their own parents and leaders?
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On Dec. 12, 2002, Obama, then serving as an Illinois state senator and filling in as host of the Cliff Kelley radio show on WVON, challenged the Republican Party to demand Lott’s resignation.
“It seems to be that we can forgive a 100-year-old senator for some of the indiscretion of his youth, but, what is more difficult to forgive is the current president of the U.S. Senate (Lott) suggesting we had been better off if we had followed a segregationist path in this country after all of the battles and fights for civil rights and all the work that we still have to do,” said Obama.
He added: “The Republican Party itself has to drive out Trent Lott. If they have to stand for something, they have to stand up and say this is not the person we want representing our party.”
But when his pastor rears his racist head it’s just the way he grew up and is still capable of leading a congregation of thousands.
How can Obama say that he wants to be a uniter when he defends racism coming from blacks and has a zero tolerance policy for racism coming from whites?
Obama needs to start making excuses for everyone or no one.
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Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze – a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many. And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns – this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.
…the rich.
Instead of quelling the racism Obama is simply arguing that blacks and whites have the same common enemy: rich people.
This type of rhetoric is to be expected from a far left liberal that wants to shove socialism down our throats. Rather than giving equal opportunities for success socialism brings the successful down to the level of the unsuccessful. Rather than providing the tools (namely, an education) to become one of the rich, socialism wants to take the money from the rich and give it to the poor so everyone is “equal.” Because you know, financial well being defines equality.
This middle class squeeze is not coming from corporations. It’s not coming from the rich. It’s coming from politicians like Obama that want to raise taxes for the middle class and deny government services to them. The middle class is getting squeezed because they already can’t afford health insurance and now politicians like Obama want to raise the taxes of the middle class and then have a health care program that the middle class doesn’t qualify for or still can’t afford.
Socialists want to pretend that working as a greeter at Wal-Mart is a $40,000 a year job. And they’ll raise minimum wage to get there. As a result fewer poor people even have jobs and prices go up which squeezes the middle class even more.
All because people like Obama want to redistribute wealth rather than give opportunity and encouragment to those who are working low wage jobs so they can be qualified to work jobs that are worth more money.
I remember when teenagers used to work at McDonald’s. Now, it’s mostly uneducated adults that never grew up and now they think that the job that paid them $5.00 an hour when they started owes them a living wage now even though they are doing the exact same work. A monkey could flip a hamburger and pretty soon it’s going to be cheaper to hire the monkey.
I guess it’s easier to unite the gullible against the “rich” than it is to encourage low wage workers to move up to management or find career somewhere else.
It’s easier to squeeze the middle class in the fight against the rich than to provide a quality education.
It’s easy to peddle this garbage because when people think rich they think millionairs. They don’t realize how low the bar is.
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Before Wright Firestorm, Obama Called for Imus Firing
Barack Obama had been a presidential candidate for more than a year before he outright repudiated his long-time pastor for racially charged, anti-U.S. sermons. But when talk show host Don Imus was in hot water 11 months ago for racially insensitive comments, Obama was the first candidate to call for his firing.
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Obama  who in a major speech Tuesday decried controversial remarks by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. dating back to 2001  called for Imus to be fired just one week after Imus made the remarks in April 2007, two months after Obama had announced his candidacy.
“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,†Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview.
See but it’s not hypocrisy because Reverand Wright never called anybody a “nappy-headed ho.”
When some of Wright’s remarks were publicized last year, Obama rescinded an invitation for Wright to speak at his Feb. 10, 2007, presidential announcement.
So it took 1 year for Obama to speak out publically against his hate filled pastor but he wastes no time publically condeming Imus for hate speech.
“[Obama] denounced specific comments months ago and he gave a thoughtful speech today,†Vietor said Tuesday.
And that’s the problem. Obama will denounce as little as possible to try to wiggle out of the hole that he has dug himself into. He wants Imus to be fired but he doesn’t have the backbone to fire his pastor.
How can someone who selectively excuses racism run a campaign on helping to stop racism? Why should any racist think that they should listen to Obama when Obama attends the church services of a racist that he refuses to seriously deal with?
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The left is happy with Obama’s speech today. Let’s break it down a bit:
have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.
Previously Obama claimed he never heard Rev Wrights inflamatory comments. Of course what he means is that he wasn’t there for the comments that everyone is rightfully upset about.
But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial.
So what controversial statements exactly did he hear? The world will never know.
Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
Obama needs to get out more. Churches are not allowed to be political if they want to keep their tax exempt status. If my pastor ever said anything political during a religious ceremony there would be a problem. If I strongly disagree with my pastor then that means there’s a doctrinal issue and I either need to talk to the pastor to get a better understanding or leave the church if the pastor is preaching false doctrines.
The problem with Ivory Tower folk is that they assume everyone is just like them. Or should be.
If a pastor ever make racist statements like Obama’s pastor did on numerous occasion they’d be (or should be) fired.
Obama wants to try to focus on the good of his pastor. Serial killers are always said to be really nice people. I’m sure a lot of KKK members are really nice people, too. The Hell’s Angels do a lot of good charity work. But the fact serial killers murder and KKK members are filled with hate for other races overrides any good they may do.
No amount of good makes up for the intense evil that’s in you.
Of course the left for the most part doesn’t care. They assume every else is worse and they agree with the pastor that America deserved 9/11. That’s why Obama doesn’t consider those remarks controversial.
The mental gymnastics Obama is going through just to try to put this issue to rest are going to backfire. Obama has been changed from the candidate that stood on his own to the candidate that is the lesser of the evils.
What Obama needs to do is criticize the way of thinking that leads to such hateful speeches. But, he can’t. The congregation cheered at every hateful word spoken. If he were to condemn this speech he would lose support of some blacks. If he were to condemn the “blame America” ideology he’d lose votes from the left.
So, he has to give vague apologies which is good enough for the left. But, is it good enough for the moderates? Looking at the poll numbers that show Obama falling, apparently not.
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John McCain was asked about Obama and his racist pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ. McCain started to go on about how you can’t control who endorses you. This is true. However, if a racist endorses you then you have to look at why and consider whether or not the person being endorsed got the endorsment because they share in some racist views.
Some KKK members may support John McCain and there’s little he can do about it. And there’s nothing he needs to do about it. It’s obvious that John McCain does not have any racist views so any support from KKK members is because they agree with him on non-race related issues.
But, what John McCain can do is NOT support the KKK. Obama has supported his racist minister for 20 years and even given around $20,000 in donations. Now, Obama could argue that his minister was perfectly sane when he met him and that he has not been attending church regularly enough to see the slide into racist sunday rants.
The problem with this theory is that the church’s web-site has a page on the Black Value System.
Obama wants to present a message of inclusiveness while his church has been preaching exclusiveness for years. If not the entire time Obama has been attending. According to the site the Black Value System was written in 1981. Obama has been going to this church for about 20 years.
A church is supposed to be about a Christian Value System. Christian Values know no race or gender. People ask “what do you expect Obama to do?” As though it’s a difficult question. It’s very simple. He should have walked out and never went back. Or, he should have spoken out against the minister and tried to change the tone of that church. That would have been Presidential.
If Obama can’t step up to a minister how can we expect him to lead his country to step up against ruthless dictators around the world?
When a radio host bad mouthed Obama, McCain didn’t wait 20 years for public pressure to make him say something. He stepped on stage after the host stepped off and rebuked him right away. That’s integrity.
Obama refuses to rebuke his minister. He is denouncing as few statements as he needs to. Obama’s wife stated a while back that she had never felt proud of America. Obama must feel the same way because any self respecting American would not give some lame soft spoken denounciation of a few sentences but loudly express absolute disgust and offense that such ridiculous things were said right after they were said.
If McCain can get upset that Obama’s middle name was used why can’t Obama get upset that his minister called for God to send America to hell?
Back to the beginning, McCain dodged the question. And I think he should continue dodging the question. As should Hillary. There’s no reason for them to condemn Obama for supporting a minister that focuses on “Black Values” instead of “Christian Values” in a church. Obama is doing a perfectly fine job of digging his own hole. Nothing McCain or Hillary could say would make them look better.
Recent polling shows that McCain is ahead of Obama and Hillary. Obama used to be the candidate that people could stand behind because he was genuinely good. Now people defend him based on the idea that no matter what he does, everyone else is so much worse. He’s just another lame candidate that people vote for because he’s the “lesser of the evils.”
In 2004 it was anybody but Bush. In 2008 it’s been reduced to anybody but McCain or Hillary. That campaign message didn’t work in 2004 and it’s not going to work now.